History log of /linux-master/sound/core/control_compat.c
Revision Date Author Comments
# 471be437 27-Feb-2024 Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>

ALSA: control: Use guard() for locking

We can simplify the code gracefully with new guard() macro and co for
automatic cleanup of locks.

The lops calls under multiple rwsems are factored out as a simple
macro, so that it can be called easily from snd_ctl_dev_register()
and snd_ctl_dev_disconnect().

There are a few remaining explicit rwsem and spinlock calls, and those
are the places where the lock downgrade happens or where the temporary
unlock/relocking happens -- which guard() doens't cover well yet.

Only the code refactoring, and no functional changes.

Signed-off-by: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>
Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20240227085306.9764-9-tiwai@suse.de


# 1052d988 21-Feb-2024 Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>

ALSA: control: Use automatic cleanup of kfree()

There are common patterns where a temporary buffer is allocated and
freed at the exit, and those can be simplified with the recent cleanup
mechanism via __free(kfree).

A caveat is that some allocations are memdup_user() and they return an
error pointer instead of NULL. Those need special cares and the value
has to be cleared with no_free_ptr() at the allocation error path.

Other than that, the conversions are straightforward.

No functional changes, only code refactoring.

Signed-off-by: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>
Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20240222111509.28390-3-tiwai@suse.de


# b7cbd9c9 25-Oct-2023 Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>

ALSA: control: Replace with __packed attribute

Replace the old __attribute__((packed)) with the new __packed.
Only cleanup, no functional changes.

Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20231025132314.5878-2-tiwai@suse.de
Signed-off-by: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>


# b1e055f6 18-Jul-2023 Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>

ALSA: control: Introduce unlocked version for snd_ctl_find_*() helpers

For reducing the unnecessary use of controls_rwsem in the drivers,
this patch adds a new variant for snd_ctl_find_*() helpers:
snd_ctl_find_id_locked() and snd_ctl_find_numid_locked() look for a
kctl element inside the card->controls_rwsem -- that is, doing the
very same as what snd_ctl_find_id() and snd_ctl_find_numid() did until
now. snd_ctl_find_id() and snd_ctl_find_numid() remain same,
i.e. still unlocked version, but they will be switched to locked
version once after all callers are replaced.

The patch also replaces the calls of snd_ctl_find_id() and
snd_ctl_find_numid() in a few places; all of those are places where we
know that the functions are called properly with controls_rwsem held.
All others are without rwsem (although they should have been).

After this patch, we'll turn on the locking in snd_ctl_find_id() and
snd_ctl_find_numid() to be more race-free.

Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20230718141304.1032-10-tiwai@suse.de
Signed-off-by: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>


# 24cdfcb4 16-May-2023 Min-Hua Chen <minhuadotchen@gmail.com>

ALSA: compat_ioctl: use correct snd_ctl_elem_type_t type

SNDRV_CTL_ELEM_TYPE_* are type of snd_ctl_elem_type_t, we
have to __force cast them to int when comparing them with int
to fix the following sparse warnings.

sound/core/control_compat.c:203:14: sparse: warning: restricted snd_ctl_elem_type_t degrades to integer
sound/core/control_compat.c:205:14: sparse: warning: restricted snd_ctl_elem_type_t degrades to integer
sound/core/control_compat.c:207:14: sparse: warning: restricted snd_ctl_elem_type_t degrades to integer
sound/core/control_compat.c:209:14: sparse: warning: restricted snd_ctl_elem_type_t degrades to integer
sound/core/control_compat.c:237:21: sparse: warning: restricted snd_ctl_elem_type_t degrades to integer
sound/core/control_compat.c:238:21: sparse: warning: restricted snd_ctl_elem_type_t degrades to integer
sound/core/control_compat.c:270:21: sparse: warning: restricted snd_ctl_elem_type_t degrades to integer
sound/core/control_compat.c:271:21: sparse: warning: restricted snd_ctl_elem_type_t degrades to integer

Signed-off-by: Min-Hua Chen <minhuadotchen@gmail.com>
Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20230516223806.185683-1-minhuadotchen@gmail.com
Signed-off-by: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>


# 83a44a4f 14-Mar-2022 Masahiro Yamada <masahiroy@kernel.org>

x86: Remove toolchain check for X32 ABI capability

Commit 0bf6276392e9 ("x32: Warn and disable rather than error if
binutils too old") added a small test in arch/x86/Makefile because
binutils 2.22 or newer is needed to properly support elf32-x86-64. This
check is no longer necessary, as the minimum supported version of
binutils is 2.23, which is enforced at configuration time with
scripts/min-tool-version.sh.

Remove this check and replace all uses of CONFIG_X86_X32 with
CONFIG_X86_X32_ABI, as two symbols are no longer necessary.

[nathan: Rebase, fix up a few places where CONFIG_X86_X32 was still
used, and simplify commit message to satisfy -tip requirements]

Signed-off-by: Masahiro Yamada <masahiroy@kernel.org>
Signed-off-by: Nathan Chancellor <nathan@kernel.org>
Signed-off-by: Peter Zijlstra (Intel) <peterz@infradead.org>
Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20220314194842.3452-2-nathan@kernel.org


# b6409dd6 02-Dec-2021 Alan Young <consult.awy@gmail.com>

ALSA: ctl: Fix copy of updated id with element read/write

When control_compat.c:copy_ctl_value_to_user() is used, by
ctl_elem_read_user() & ctl_elem_write_user(), it must also copy back the
snd_ctl_elem_id value that may have been updated (filled in) by the call
to snd_ctl_elem_read/snd_ctl_elem_write().

This matches the functionality provided by snd_ctl_elem_read_user() and
snd_ctl_elem_write_user(), via snd_ctl_build_ioff().

Without this, and without making additional calls to snd_ctl_info()
which are unnecessary when using the non-compat calls, a userspace
application will not know the numid value for the element and
consequently will not be able to use the poll/read interface on the
control file to determine which elements have updates.

Signed-off-by: Alan Young <consult.awy@gmail.com>
Cc: <stable@vger.kernel.org>
Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20211202150607.543389-1-consult.awy@gmail.com
Signed-off-by: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>


# 73063cd3 23-May-2021 Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>

ALSA: control: Drop superfluous snd_power_wait() calls

Now we have more fine-grained power controls in each kcontrol ops, the
coarse checks of snd_power_wait() in a few control ioctls became
superfluous. Let's drop them.

Reviewed-by: Jaroslav Kysela <perex@perex.cz>
Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20210523090920.15345-4-tiwai@suse.de
Signed-off-by: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>


# e94fdbd7 23-May-2021 Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>

ALSA: control: Track in-flight control read/write/tlv accesses

Although the power state check is performed in various places (e.g. at
the entrance of quite a few ioctls), there can be still some pending
tasks that already went into the ioctl handler or other ops, and those
may access the hardware even after the power state check. For
example, kcontrol access ioctl paths that call info/get/put callbacks
may update the hardware registers. If a system wants to assure the
free from such hw access (like the case of PCI rescan feature we're
going to implement in future), this situation must be avoided, and we
have to sync such in-flight tasks finishing beforehand.

For that purpose, this patch introduces a few new things in core code:
- A refcount, power_ref, and a wait queue, power_ref_sleep, to the
card object
- A few new helpers, snd_power_ref(), snd_power_unref(),
snd_power_ref_and_wait(), and snd_power_sync_ref()

In the code paths that call kctl info/read/write/tlv ops, we check the
power state with the newly introduced snd_power_ref_and_wait(). This
function also takes the card.power_ref refcount for tracking this
in-flight task. Once after the access finishes, snd_power_unref() is
called to released the refcount in return. So the driver can sync via
snd_power_sync_ref() assuring that all in-flight tasks have been
finished.

As of this patch, snd_power_sync_ref() is called only at
snd_card_disconnect(), but it'll be used in other places in future.

Note that atomic_t is used for power_ref intentionally instead of
refcount_t. It's because of the design of refcount_t type; refcount_t
cannot be zero-based, and it cannot do dec_and_test() call for
multiple times, hence it's not suitable for our purpose.

Also, this patch changes snd_power_wait() to accept only
SNDRV_CTL_POWER_D0, which is the only value that makes sense.
In later patch, the snd_power_wait() calls will be cleaned up.

Reviewed-by: Jaroslav Kysela <perex@perex.cz>
Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20210523090920.15345-3-tiwai@suse.de
Signed-off-by: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>


# 18d122c0 18-Sep-2020 Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>

ALSA: compat_ioctl: avoid compat_alloc_user_space

Using compat_alloc_user_space() tends to add complexity
to the ioctl handling, so I am trying to remove it everywhere.

The two callers in sound/core can rewritten to just call
the same code that operates on a kernel pointer as the
native handler.

Signed-off-by: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20200918095642.1446243-1-arnd@arndb.de
Signed-off-by: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>


# 3f649ab7 03-Jun-2020 Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>

treewide: Remove uninitialized_var() usage

Using uninitialized_var() is dangerous as it papers over real bugs[1]
(or can in the future), and suppresses unrelated compiler warnings
(e.g. "unused variable"). If the compiler thinks it is uninitialized,
either simply initialize the variable or make compiler changes.

In preparation for removing[2] the[3] macro[4], remove all remaining
needless uses with the following script:

git grep '\buninitialized_var\b' | cut -d: -f1 | sort -u | \
xargs perl -pi -e \
's/\buninitialized_var\(([^\)]+)\)/\1/g;
s:\s*/\* (GCC be quiet|to make compiler happy) \*/$::g;'

drivers/video/fbdev/riva/riva_hw.c was manually tweaked to avoid
pathological white-space.

No outstanding warnings were found building allmodconfig with GCC 9.3.0
for x86_64, i386, arm64, arm, powerpc, powerpc64le, s390x, mips, sparc64,
alpha, and m68k.

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20200603174714.192027-1-glider@google.com/
[2] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CA+55aFw+Vbj0i=1TGqCR5vQkCzWJ0QxK6CernOU6eedsudAixw@mail.gmail.com/
[3] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CA+55aFwgbgqhbp1fkxvRKEpzyR5J8n1vKT1VZdz9knmPuXhOeg@mail.gmail.com/
[4] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CA+55aFz2500WfbKXAx8s67wrm9=yVJu65TpLgN_ybYNv0VEOKA@mail.gmail.com/

Reviewed-by: Leon Romanovsky <leonro@mellanox.com> # drivers/infiniband and mlx4/mlx5
Acked-by: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@mellanox.com> # IB
Acked-by: Kalle Valo <kvalo@codeaurora.org> # wireless drivers
Reviewed-by: Chao Yu <yuchao0@huawei.com> # erofs
Signed-off-by: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>


# 1a59d1b8 27-May-2019 Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>

treewide: Replace GPLv2 boilerplate/reference with SPDX - rule 156

Based on 1 normalized pattern(s):

this program is free software you can redistribute it and or modify
it under the terms of the gnu general public license as published by
the free software foundation either version 2 of the license or at
your option any later version this program is distributed in the
hope that it will be useful but without any warranty without even
the implied warranty of merchantability or fitness for a particular
purpose see the gnu general public license for more details you
should have received a copy of the gnu general public license along
with this program if not write to the free software foundation inc
59 temple place suite 330 boston ma 02111 1307 usa

extracted by the scancode license scanner the SPDX license identifier

GPL-2.0-or-later

has been chosen to replace the boilerplate/reference in 1334 file(s).

Signed-off-by: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Reviewed-by: Allison Randal <allison@lohutok.net>
Reviewed-by: Richard Fontana <rfontana@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-spdx@vger.kernel.org
Link: https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20190527070033.113240726@linutronix.de
Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>


# 3f12888d 05-May-2018 Wenwen Wang <wang6495@umn.edu>

ALSA: control: fix a redundant-copy issue

In snd_ctl_elem_add_compat(), the fields of the struct 'data' need to be
copied from the corresponding fields of the struct 'data32' in userspace.
This is achieved by invoking copy_from_user() and get_user() functions. The
problem here is that the 'type' field is copied twice. One is by
copy_from_user() and one is by get_user(). Given that the 'type' field is
not used between the two copies, the second copy is *completely* redundant
and should be removed for better performance and cleanup. Also, these two
copies can cause inconsistent data: as the struct 'data32' resides in
userspace and a malicious userspace process can race to change the 'type'
field between the two copies to cause inconsistent data. Depending on how
the data is used in the future, such an inconsistency may cause potential
security risks.

For above reasons, we should take out the second copy.

Signed-off-by: Wenwen Wang <wang6495@umn.edu>
Cc: <stable@vger.kernel.org>
Signed-off-by: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>


# 7d8e8292 30-Aug-2017 Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>

ALSA: Get rid of card power_lock

Currently we're taking power_lock at each card component for assuring
the power-up sequence, but it doesn't help anything in the
implementation at the moment: it just serializes unnecessarily the
callers, but it doesn't protect about the power state change itself.
It used to have some usefulness in the early days where we managed the
PM manually. But now the suspend/resume core procedure is beyond our
hands, and power_lock lost its meaning.

This patch drops the power_lock from allover the places.
There shouldn't be any issues by this change, as it's no helper
regarding the power state change. Rather we'll get better performance
by removing the serialization; which is the only slight concern of any
behavior change, but it can't be a showstopper, after all.

Signed-off-by: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>


# 6f021744 17-Mar-2016 Takashi Sakamoto <o-takashi@sakamocchi.jp>

ALSA: ctl: change return value in compatibility layer so that it's the same value in core implementation

In control compatibility layer, when no elements are found by
ELEM_READ/ELEM_WRITE ioctl commands, ENXIO is returned. On the other hand,
in core implementation, ENOENT is returned. This is not good for
ALSA ctl applications.

This commit changes the return value from the compatibility layer so
that the same value is returned.

Signed-off-by: Takashi Sakamoto <o-takashi@sakamocchi.jp>
Signed-off-by: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>


# 6236d8bb 27-Feb-2016 Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>

ALSA: ctl: Fix ioctls for X32 ABI

The X32 ABI takes the same alignment like x86-64, and this may result
in the incompatible struct size from ia32. Unfortunately, we hit this
in some control ABI: struct snd_ctl_elem_value differs between them
due to the position of 64bit variable array. This ends up with the
unknown ioctl (ENOTTY) error.

The fix is to add the compat entries for the new aligned struct.

Reported-and-tested-by: Steven Newbury <steve@snewbury.org.uk>
Cc: <stable@vger.kernel.org> # v3.4+
Signed-off-by: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>


# bb009457 04-Feb-2014 Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>

ALSA: control: Use standard printk helpers

Use dev_err() & co as much as possible. If not available (no device
assigned at the calling point), use pr_xxx() helpers instead.

Signed-off-by: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>


# 8d448162 07-Oct-2011 Clemens Ladisch <clemens@ladisch.de>

ALSA: control: add support for ENUMERATED user space controls

Handling of user control elements was implemented for all types except
ENUMERATED. This type will be needed for the device-specific mixers of
upcoming FireWire drivers.

Signed-off-by: Clemens Ladisch <clemens@ladisch.de>
Signed-off-by: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>


# 5a0e3ad6 24-Mar-2010 Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>

include cleanup: Update gfp.h and slab.h includes to prepare for breaking implicit slab.h inclusion from percpu.h

percpu.h is included by sched.h and module.h and thus ends up being
included when building most .c files. percpu.h includes slab.h which
in turn includes gfp.h making everything defined by the two files
universally available and complicating inclusion dependencies.

percpu.h -> slab.h dependency is about to be removed. Prepare for
this change by updating users of gfp and slab facilities include those
headers directly instead of assuming availability. As this conversion
needs to touch large number of source files, the following script is
used as the basis of conversion.

http://userweb.kernel.org/~tj/misc/slabh-sweep.py

The script does the followings.

* Scan files for gfp and slab usages and update includes such that
only the necessary includes are there. ie. if only gfp is used,
gfp.h, if slab is used, slab.h.

* When the script inserts a new include, it looks at the include
blocks and try to put the new include such that its order conforms
to its surrounding. It's put in the include block which contains
core kernel includes, in the same order that the rest are ordered -
alphabetical, Christmas tree, rev-Xmas-tree or at the end if there
doesn't seem to be any matching order.

* If the script can't find a place to put a new include (mostly
because the file doesn't have fitting include block), it prints out
an error message indicating which .h file needs to be added to the
file.

The conversion was done in the following steps.

1. The initial automatic conversion of all .c files updated slightly
over 4000 files, deleting around 700 includes and adding ~480 gfp.h
and ~3000 slab.h inclusions. The script emitted errors for ~400
files.

2. Each error was manually checked. Some didn't need the inclusion,
some needed manual addition while adding it to implementation .h or
embedding .c file was more appropriate for others. This step added
inclusions to around 150 files.

3. The script was run again and the output was compared to the edits
from #2 to make sure no file was left behind.

4. Several build tests were done and a couple of problems were fixed.
e.g. lib/decompress_*.c used malloc/free() wrappers around slab
APIs requiring slab.h to be added manually.

5. The script was run on all .h files but without automatically
editing them as sprinkling gfp.h and slab.h inclusions around .h
files could easily lead to inclusion dependency hell. Most gfp.h
inclusion directives were ignored as stuff from gfp.h was usually
wildly available and often used in preprocessor macros. Each
slab.h inclusion directive was examined and added manually as
necessary.

6. percpu.h was updated not to include slab.h.

7. Build test were done on the following configurations and failures
were fixed. CONFIG_GCOV_KERNEL was turned off for all tests (as my
distributed build env didn't work with gcov compiles) and a few
more options had to be turned off depending on archs to make things
build (like ipr on powerpc/64 which failed due to missing writeq).

* x86 and x86_64 UP and SMP allmodconfig and a custom test config.
* powerpc and powerpc64 SMP allmodconfig
* sparc and sparc64 SMP allmodconfig
* ia64 SMP allmodconfig
* s390 SMP allmodconfig
* alpha SMP allmodconfig
* um on x86_64 SMP allmodconfig

8. percpu.h modifications were reverted so that it could be applied as
a separate patch and serve as bisection point.

Given the fact that I had only a couple of failures from tests on step
6, I'm fairly confident about the coverage of this conversion patch.
If there is a breakage, it's likely to be something in one of the arch
headers which should be easily discoverable easily on most builds of
the specific arch.

Signed-off-by: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Guess-its-ok-by: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>
Cc: Lee Schermerhorn <Lee.Schermerhorn@hp.com>


# 7eaa943c 08-Aug-2008 Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>

ALSA: Kill snd_assert() in sound/core/*

Kill snd_assert() in sound/core/*, either removed or replaced with
if () with snd_BUG_ON().

Signed-off-by: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>
Signed-off-by: Jaroslav Kysela <perex@perex.cz>


# 5050b092 13-Dec-2007 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>

[ALSA] copy_ctl_value_from_user() warning fix

sound/core/control_compat.c: In function 'copy_ctl_value_from_user':
sound/core/control_compat.c:222: warning: 'count' may be used uninitialized in this function

Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Signed-off-by: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>
Signed-off-by: Jaroslav Kysela <perex@perex.cz>


# 9244b2c3 05-Oct-2006 Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>

[ALSA] alsa core: convert to list_for_each_entry*

This patch converts most uses of list_for_each to list_for_each_entry all
across alsa. In some place apparently an item can be on a list with
different pointers so of course that isn't compatible with list_for_each, I
therefore didn't touch those places.

Signed-off-by: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
Signed-off-by: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>
Signed-off-by: Jaroslav Kysela <perex@suse.cz>


# 2b1181ed 17-Sep-2006 Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>

[ALSA] Add missing compat ioctls for ALSA control API

Added the missing 32bit-compat ioctl entries for ALSA control API
(espcially for recent additions of TLV stuff).

Signed-off-by: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>
Signed-off-by: Jaroslav Kysela <perex@suse.cz>


# cbac4b0c 26-Mar-2006 Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>

[ALSA] Cleanup unused argument for snd_power_wait()

Removed the unused file argument of snd_power_wait().

Signed-off-by: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>


# 64649400 13-Mar-2006 Giuliano Pochini <pochini@shiny.it>

[ALSA] make control.c suspend aware

Modules: Control Midlevel

This patch prevents user-space apps from accessing the hardware via
control interface while the soundcard is suspended.

Signed-off-by: Giuliano Pochini <pochini@shiny.it>
Signed-off-by: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>


# aa657ca9 20-Feb-2006 Juergen Kreileder <jk@blackdown.de>

[PATCH] Fix snd-usb-audio in 32-bit compat environment

I'm getting oopses with snd-usb-audio in 32-bit compat environments:
control_compat.c:get_ctl_type() doesn't initialize 'info', so
'itemlist[uinfo->value.enumerated.item]' in
usbmixer.c:mixer_ctl_selector_info() might access random memory (The 'if
((int)uinfo->value.enumerated.item >= cval->max)' doesn't fix all problems
because of the unsigned -> signed conversion.)

Signed-off-by: Juergen Kreileder <jk@blackdown.de>
Cc: Jaroslav Kysela <perex@suse.cz>
Acked-by: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>
Cc: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
Cc: <stable@kernel.org>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>


# 82e9bae6 17-Nov-2005 Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>

[ALSA] Remove xxx_t typedefs: Controls

Modules: Control Midlevel

Remove xxx_t typedefs from the core controls.

Signed-off-by: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>


# ca2c0966 09-Sep-2005 Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>

[ALSA] Replace with kzalloc() - core stuff

Control Midlevel,ALSA Core,HWDEP Midlevel,PCM Midlevel,RawMidi Midlevel
Timer Midlevel,ALSA<-OSS emulation
Replace kcalloc(1,..) with kzalloc().

Signed-off-by: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>


# 1da177e4 16-Apr-2005 Linus Torvalds <torvalds@ppc970.osdl.org>

Linux-2.6.12-rc2

Initial git repository build. I'm not bothering with the full history,
even though we have it. We can create a separate "historical" git
archive of that later if we want to, and in the meantime it's about
3.2GB when imported into git - space that would just make the early
git days unnecessarily complicated, when we don't have a lot of good
infrastructure for it.

Let it rip!